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It's but one quote in a spinoff game. Not nearly as conclusive as you'd like to make it seem. Like I said, if there are a hundreds of fighters just laying around at every colony, how come only two scramble at Gwynedd? Where are they at Olympus, Blackmane, Pembroke? Why only a few hundred at...

That's a good explanation if you're willing to go out of your way to make sense of everything Forstchen writes, I'm just not up to it. The WC2 manual specifically refers to phase shields and torpedoes as "the latest" in technology. Since WC2 is the only game with impenetrable capship shields...

Not at all. But keep in mind you're asserting there is a fighter force of around 100,000, or about 300 per colony. Where's the evidence of that, beyond the quote in Privateer? You don't see hundreds of fighters scramble to protect the Concordia at Gwynedd. You see two. We can assume there...

Awesome. So you had no point then. What you originally typed implied that I was arguing over "what is canon", which I'm not. I just pointed out contradictions I saw in "the canon" and how I chose to resolve them. And I was interested in what others thought. Actually you said that my...

No, but if the Tiger's Claw isn't receiving those casualties, then some other carrier is getting 4-6 casualties a day. I'm just talking in general to put the numbers in perspective. This is another thing from Victory Streak I thought was questionable. Of all the games, it seemed like WC2...

Those totaled about 60-80 combat missions, some of which happened back-to-back in the same day. So that leaves 260-280 days in a year where you didn't see action. And the Claw is a special case. Even on the front lines, you're not going to be bumping into random enemies every day. You only...

Sure, I'll comment. I have no idea what your point is. Incommensurability? Because I don't like the books, I hate Wing Commander? What? I really don't care what other people consider "canon". My question was did anyone else not like the books because of certain issues. Personally I...

LOL, *why* are you asking my intentions? Shouldn't your curiousity have been satisfied when I gave you my answer the first time. Maybe I like some healthy discussion about a game I like. Why do you care? I still don't see how trying to resolve inconsistencies "my" way = the death of WC...

You brought up the supporting evidence after you asked me to prove the negative. Not that it's a big deal, and I'm not going to bother to quote everything over something so minor, but I'm not avoiding anything. The "counter-indication" is that we never see this massive fighter force at any...

Ok, but I hope you realize that once you recognize that there are contradictions between the games and the books, then any kind of "resolution" to such an issue is purely a matter of opinion -- not a matter of right and wrong. You think some evidence fits your argument better, I think other...

HammerHead, I basically agree with you. We really aren't seeing things that differently. A few points: Agree with you here, but the purpose of pitting 3 cruisers against one carrier (not the Concordia, just a heavy carrier with 120 fighters to even it out) was to compare the relative...

Ummmmmm .... this also puts *your carrier* at risk of losing all those 120 pilots based over it should I be successful. Highly likely if you've focused the majority of your fighters onto one of my ships, leaving 2 Fralthra and their 80 fighters free to smash your carrier. Sorry dude, but you...

No, absolutely not, but you would think so if you read Hesselich's posts. I said destroyers and cruisers that could carry fighters would reduce the importance of the carrier, not eliminate it or make it insignificant. Obviously they are important. But not as much as in WW2 where the...

Speaking of silly arguments, you do realize in these pure hypothetical "scenarios" you present, that you always stack the deck in your favor and then go "oh look you died"? That this isn't a particularly convincing form of argument? All I did is point out the ridiculousness of what you're...

I thought it was pretty funny if I do say so myself. Being that we're talking about fiction, I think it's silly to say "this is how it happened", because it didn't happen outside of anyone's imagination. Maybe some people can reconcile the issues between the games and the books, but I...

So, in your scenario ... the cruisers couldn't be fairly close together and thus capable of pooling defenders ... the carrier knows exactly where all the cruisers are ... the cruisers don't know where the attack is coming from ... and have no patrols out so they don't know what the target is...

Relax, it was a JOKE. A "funny", if you will. Where you get the "oppressed" or "whining" bit from is beyond me. Um, no. When you see the exchange in it's entirety, it's clear that this line of discussion started when you asked me to prove a negative: At the end there you just...

How dare you question the Church of Wing Commander?!? Blair died for our sins you ungrateful asshole. That's the thing though. It doesn't really matter. Unless Kilrah tens of thousands of fighters sitting around, losing 1000+ in a year by only seven pilots would be a devastating loss...

Don't worry about it. The speech in that game is horrible. If I could turn it off (in the Kilrathi Saga) I would.

LOL, what? No there really isn't. The fact that no one has ever seen a unicorn doesn't mean there isn't one hiding behind a tree somewhere. Point is if you want to say there's a unicorn, it's your job to prove there is one. You didn't understand what I said. The Tiger's Claw scoreboard...