New Standoff Scoreboards Rank Wingnuts Globally (January 8, 2006)

ChrisReid · 01-07-2006, 16:00

An all new feature has been added to Standoff with Episode 3. The TCS Firekka's Simulator is now connected to a global ranking system! Visit the Standoff Simulator Scoreboards to see how you stack up against everyone else as a Wing Commander pilot. The numbers are broken down by mission & fighter, mission & pilot and fighters overall. The board currently tracks data from sim missions one and two, the Confederation and Kilrathi Gauntlets. More missions will be phased in during future episodes. Players must have Episode 3 installed and be aboard Episode 2-5's TCS Firekka to access the sim. Users are identified by their unique Crius.net ID which is input into the Launcher setup menu. More details are available in the How To Play guide. We're excited to see how everyone will do!

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Original update published on January 8, 2006

Fatcat · 01-08-2006, 19:14

Finally! This is a definite step towards the ultimate goal: full online dogfighting.

powell99 · 01-08-2006, 19:23

This is pretty cool we could have a tournement with Standoff.

Fatcat · 01-08-2006, 20:04

If a PvP add-on was created, we could have Kilrathi Vs Confed Tournements.

PopsiclePete · 01-08-2006, 20:10

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Originally Posted by powell99

This is pretty cool we could have a tournement with Standoff.

Yep

ChrisReid · 01-08-2006, 20:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fatcat

Finally! This is a definite step towards the ultimate goal: full online dogfighting.

Yeah, I don't think the importance of this can be understated. However, you do have HCl's Armada Online patch for online dogfighting as an option too.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fatcat

If a PvP add-on was created, we could have Kilrathi Vs Confed Tournements.

Actually adding online multiplayer to the Vision Engine would be much more difficult. But this does make certain kinds of special tournament play and such possible.

jaeger · 01-09-2006, 02:52

it seems to be a hit with the crowd, I know Im hooked!

Justice · 01-09-2006, 09:33

Me too, but I'm quite rusty, as you can see from my scores...

I keep getting beaned with dumbfires around wave 10 with most ships, and lose my afterburner or guns

Too bad we can't see more details about the scores, like what difficulty they were played on, the time spent, what wave was reached, how many quick kills, etc... I imagine most of that isn't known when the score is reported though.

PopsiclePete · 01-09-2006, 10:08

Well, I could have arranged to send tons of data, but what would that tell you ? And how to organise that information ? We've been having a hard time figuring out how to make the data we have now readable and meaningfull.

Now, if you have suggestions for our next Ep4 upgrade, I am opened to it; but submit well thought ideas, along with details on how you'd show it. Just throwing information on a page isn't good enough. Also, keep in mind we only keep each player's best score for each ship, else the database could get huge.

KrisV · 01-09-2006, 10:21

Keeping a full history for each player is possible, as long as only the best score for each ship is used for player ranking. Even millions of records don't pose a problem if only a fraction are ever accessed simultaneously.

Justice · 01-09-2006, 10:42

Well, my thoughts were that it would be cool to be able to look at, for example, the top crossbow score and see exactly how it was achieved. Did he play on a low difficulty or a high difficulty, get a long ways into the waves, or just quick kill everything in sight. As far as display goes, adding those fields to the tables in the "Global rankings for <player>" is all I really would be interested to see. I don't know if there would be any interesting stats you could generate from that data or not.

Quarto · 01-09-2006, 12:32

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Originally Posted by Justice

Me too, but I'm quite rusty, as you can see from my scores...

Rusty? Those Broadsword and Crossbow scores beg to differ

. I played a lot with the Crossbow, and never got past a thousand. How did you do it?

Dyret · 01-09-2006, 14:25

Bah, I need to improve my Rapier skills.

Justice · 01-09-2006, 14:28

I use the turrets a lot to drive away enemy ships, shoot down missiles, and get quick kills while my main guns are drained. Since I'm playing on nightmare, I also usually wind up having to shoot down 5-10 hs or df missiles with them too. Not like I'll be dodging anything much in a broadsword...

Anyone have a wierd wave come up while playing? I had one wave 5 versus 5 raptors, that was fun - I was in a epee or wraith I think, and I love fighting big slow targets.

ChrisReid · 01-09-2006, 18:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Justice

Too bad we can't see more details about the scores, like what difficulty they were played on, the time spent, what wave was reached, how many quick kills, etc... I imagine most of that isn't known when the score is reported though.

Quote:

Originally Posted by PopsiclePete

Well, I could have arranged to send tons of data, but what would that tell you ? And how to organise that information ? We've been having a hard time figuring out how to make the data we have now readable and meaningfull.

One way to do this was with medals. Not sure if you were there. Might have been Eder I was talking with. http://www.bungie.net/Games/Halo2/pa...ls&page=medals is a place to start to see how they organize quite a bit of information pretty well. Quick Kills could be measured by a medal of some sort like the double/triple/killtrocities on that page. There's probably a few other creative ones in there too.

Aplha 1-1 · 01-09-2006, 20:50

What would be cool is to have extra medals WC1 style - so many quick kills in a row could earn you the silver star. Likewise we can see who bothers to eject in the sim by giving out bronze suns.
That or a system where players can challenge others on the board to duels finally sorting out whos the best hotdog out there, simple system where the pilots agree on a ship and mission and the next time they're in the sim in the agreed ships the data could be sent to a duel scores page instead.

Just my 2 cents worth.

EDIT: Whoops, kinda skipped over Chris's post there. Guess I second that idea then.

Sternenwind · 01-10-2006, 00:14

Quote:

Posted by Justice
I use the turrets a lot to drive away enemy ships, shoot down missiles,

Impressive. I loved to play Bombers in my old days, but I donÄt know why. My enemys only Fire at short Distance....

Perhaps i should fly at ace in this case and make some kills more, but Nighmare is much more fun^^

cff · 01-10-2006, 01:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quarto

Rusty? Those Broadsword and Crossbow scores beg to differ

. I played a lot with the Crossbow, and never got past a thousand. How did you do it?

Finally someone with some bomber skills. Didn't I preach time after time that the Crossbow isn't that bad a ship? <g>

jaeger · 01-10-2006, 02:16

I gotta go with you guys, ive been tryin to use my favorite ship forever ( broadsword) and cant even begin to touch your score, I think I might have to take it off of nightmare......

Sternenwind · 01-10-2006, 02:23

It will take some time, but I think it is possibil to rech these points, but I need luck, there are some Kilrathi and Confed ships which I can't beat in these Bombers.

I get so many Darts in my ship....that's not fair

Quarto · 01-10-2006, 11:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aplha 1-1

What would be cool is to have extra medals WC1 style - so many quick kills in a row could earn you the silver star. Likewise we can see who bothers to eject in the sim by giving out bronze suns.

Well, right before the release, it occured to us that it would be nifty to have stuff like fighter qualification ribbons and such... maybe next episode, we'll see... but you have to keep in mind, stuff like this takes time. That's why in the end we only implemented the scoring system in two missions, leaving the others for the remaining two episodes.

Confed · 01-10-2006, 12:11

Take at look at this : http://www.wcnews.com/standoffscores/ship.php?id=6
at the fifth best score for mission 2 with a Broadsword
That means he didn't even kill the first bogey.
You have to be a serious pacifist to accomplish that. ~~~

Quarto · 01-10-2006, 12:30

Wow. Pierre, isn't that an error? I didn't think the final scoreboard would allow people to send scores of 0...

Confed · 01-10-2006, 12:38

Please don't remove it. It adds a funny twist, a "high score" of 0
Sadly, if HammerHead decides a try again & succeeds in killing an enemy, it's gone

PopsiclePete · 01-10-2006, 12:46

I sent many 0 scores in the past, and didn't even think someone would believe zero scores would have to be removed or not sent

As the webscoreboard only keeps the best score for each ship, these zeros would be soon overwritten anyway.

Lazy Panda · 01-10-2006, 13:05

Time to test my mettle as a Stiletto fanboy...
How exactly does scoring work, by the way?

Quarto · 01-10-2006, 14:05

Uh, you know, we did write the documentation for a reason

. You can find out how the scoring works by looking at the How To Play section of the scoreboard, or you can check the documentation in the Standoff launcher.

01-07-2006, 16:00	#1
ChrisReid Super Soaker Collector Administrator Join Date: Jan 2000 Location: Seattle, Washington, USA Posts: 9,865	New Standoff Scoreboards Rank Wingnuts Globally (January 8, 2006) An all new feature has been added to Standoff with Episode 3. The TCS Firekka's Simulator is now connected to a global ranking system! Visit the Standoff Simulator Scoreboards to see how you stack up against everyone else as a Wing Commander pilot. The numbers are broken down by mission & fighter, mission & pilot and fighters overall. The board currently tracks data from sim missions one and two, the Confederation and Kilrathi Gauntlets. More missions will be phased in during future episodes. Players must have Episode 3 installed and be aboard Episode 2-5's TCS Firekka to access the sim. Users are identified by their unique Crius.net ID which is input into the Launcher setup menu. More details are available in the How To Play guide. We're excited to see how everyone will do! -- Original update published on January 8, 2006

01-08-2006, 19:23	#3
powell99 Aviation Junkie Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Daly City, San Francisco ya know alot of places. Posts: 885	This is pretty cool we could have a tournement with Standoff. __________________ Militias need capital ships in much the same way as police officers need guided missile cruisers. -LOAF GOKU, TELL ME I'M GREAT... OR I'LL BEAT UP CHRIS REID AGAIN. -LOAF

01-09-2006, 10:08	#9
PopsiclePete Mission programmer Join Date: Jan 2000 Location: Amos, Québec Posts: 842	Well, I could have arranged to send tons of data, but what would that tell you ? And how to organise that information ? We've been having a hard time figuring out how to make the data we have now readable and meaningfull. Now, if you have suggestions for our next Ep4 upgrade, I am opened to it; but submit well thought ideas, along with details on how you'd show it. Just throwing information on a page isn't good enough. Also, keep in mind we only keep each player's best score for each ship, else the database could get huge. __________________ PopsiclePete's WC Page : http://popsiclepete.solsector.net E-mail : PopsiclePete [at] hotmail.com

01-09-2006, 10:21	#10
KrisV Space Marshal Administrator Join Date: Jan 2000 Location: The Reid System Posts: 3,163	Keeping a full history for each player is possible, as long as only the best score for each ship is used for player ranking. Even millions of records don't pose a problem if only a fraction are ever accessed simultaneously. __________________ The Wing Commander CIC Forum Rules

01-09-2006, 14:25	#13
Dyret Super Carrot! Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Norway Posts: 2,145	Bah, I need to improve my Rapier skills. __________________ Glory to the many

01-08-2006, 19:14	#2
Fatcat Swabbie Banned Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: At my computer, duh. Posts: 597	Finally! This is a definite step towards the ultimate goal: full online dogfighting.

01-08-2006, 20:04	#4
Fatcat Swabbie Banned Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: At my computer, duh. Posts: 597	If a PvP add-on was created, we could have Kilrathi Vs Confed Tournements.

01-09-2006, 02:52	#7
jaeger 1st Lieutenant Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: California Posts: 195	it seems to be a hit with the crowd, I know Im hooked!

01-09-2006, 09:33	#8
Justice 2nd Lieutenant Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Near Seattle Posts: 90	Me too, but I'm quite rusty, as you can see from my scores... I keep getting beaned with dumbfires around wave 10 with most ships, and lose my afterburner or guns Too bad we can't see more details about the scores, like what difficulty they were played on, the time spent, what wave was reached, how many quick kills, etc... I imagine most of that isn't known when the score is reported though.

01-09-2006, 10:42	#11
Justice 2nd Lieutenant Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Near Seattle Posts: 90	Well, my thoughts were that it would be cool to be able to look at, for example, the top crossbow score and see exactly how it was achieved. Did he play on a low difficulty or a high difficulty, get a long ways into the waves, or just quick kill everything in sight. As far as display goes, adding those fields to the tables in the "Global rankings for <player>" is all I really would be interested to see. I don't know if there would be any interesting stats you could generate from that data or not.

01-09-2006, 14:28	#14
Justice 2nd Lieutenant Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Near Seattle Posts: 90	I use the turrets a lot to drive away enemy ships, shoot down missiles, and get quick kills while my main guns are drained. Since I'm playing on nightmare, I also usually wind up having to shoot down 5-10 hs or df missiles with them too. Not like I'll be dodging anything much in a broadsword... Anyone have a wierd wave come up while playing? I had one wave 5 versus 5 raptors, that was fun - I was in a epee or wraith I think, and I love fighting big slow targets.

01-09-2006, 20:50	#16
Aplha 1-1 1st Lieutenant Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: ACT, Australia Posts: 239	What would be cool is to have extra medals WC1 style - so many quick kills in a row could earn you the silver star. Likewise we can see who bothers to eject in the sim by giving out bronze suns. That or a system where players can challenge others on the board to duels finally sorting out whos the best hotdog out there, simple system where the pilots agree on a ship and mission and the next time they're in the sim in the agreed ships the data could be sent to a duel scores page instead. Just my 2 cents worth. EDIT: Whoops, kinda skipped over Chris's post there. Guess I second that idea then. __________________ 'I hate last stands. You never get an opportunity to practice for them' -Piet Gutes, Tanith first-and-only 'Well hello mister fancy pants' -Ash

01-10-2006, 02:16	#19
jaeger 1st Lieutenant Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: California Posts: 195	I gotta go with you guys, ive been tryin to use my favorite ship forever ( broadsword) and cant even begin to touch your score, I think I might have to take it off of nightmare......

01-10-2006, 02:23	#20
Sternenwind 2nd Lieutenant Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Germany Posts: 81	It will take some time, but I think it is possibil to rech these points, but I need luck, there are some Kilrathi and Confed ships which I can't beat in these Bombers. I get so many Darts in my ship....that's not fair __________________ Î am from germany. My english is bad. But I can feel it. The Wind of the Stars.

01-10-2006, 12:11	#22
Confed 1st Lieutenant Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Belgium Posts: 254	Take at look at this : http://www.wcnews.com/standoffscores/ship.php?id=6 at the fifth best score for mission 2 with a Broadsword That means he didn't even kill the first bogey. You have to be a serious pacifist to accomplish that. ~~~

01-10-2006, 12:30	#23
Quarto Unknown Enemy Join Date: Jan 2000 Location: Poland Posts: 9,892	Wow. Pierre, isn't that an error? I didn't think the final scoreboard would allow people to send scores of 0...

01-10-2006, 12:38	#24
Confed 1st Lieutenant Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Belgium Posts: 254	Please don't remove it. It adds a funny twist, a "high score" of 0 Sadly, if HammerHead decides a try again & succeeds in killing an enemy, it's gone

01-10-2006, 12:46	#25
PopsiclePete Mission programmer Join Date: Jan 2000 Location: Amos, Québec Posts: 842	I sent many 0 scores in the past, and didn't even think someone would believe zero scores would have to be removed or not sent As the webscoreboard only keeps the best score for each ship, these zeros would be soon overwritten anyway. __________________ PopsiclePete's WC Page : http://popsiclepete.solsector.net E-mail : PopsiclePete [at] hotmail.com

01-10-2006, 13:05	#26
Lazy Panda Captain Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Germany Posts: 341	Time to test my mettle as a Stiletto fanboy... How exactly does scoring work, by the way?

01-10-2006, 14:05	#27
Quarto Unknown Enemy Join Date: Jan 2000 Location: Poland Posts: 9,892	Uh, you know, we did write the documentation for a reason . You can find out how the scoring works by looking at the How To Play section of the scoreboard, or you can check the documentation in the Standoff launcher.