Writing on the Walls (December 18, 2005)

Bandit LOAF · 12-17-2005, 16:00

You stop by the Mercenaries Guild office to flirt with the scantily clad hostess and rifle through their stack of individual CDs containing bounties and patrol missions. On the wall, a projector flashes through a series of bizarre advertisements for sex, guns, missing children and... Saddam Hussein? Have you ever wondered exactly what those posters say? Of course -- you're a Wing Commander fan! Now, for the first time, you can see them in their original format. Marvel at the fact that that child has been missing for 43 years... or that in the futuristic world of Privateer, phone sex costs more than a 9,500 ESK missile. I know where I'd get my satisfaction!

Now, let's see one of the community's graphics geniuses get to work on a high resolution LOVE YOUR DAD poster we could have printed...

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Original update published on December 18, 2005

privfan · 12-18-2005, 15:07

Straight on it doesn't look quite as much like Saddam as it did in game

Dumpshock · 12-19-2005, 00:01

It looks more like my father. x.x

Bandit LOAF · 12-19-2005, 00:12

Yeah, my dad looks a lot like Saddam, too.

PeteyG · 12-19-2005, 02:23

The Saddam poster. It has mystified me since the first time I played Privateer.

WTF does it mean!?

Martini Doctor · 12-19-2005, 02:28

When did the second gulf war end? 1992 right?

Ijuin · 12-19-2005, 03:24

The first gulf war ended in 1992. The second gulf war is the one that led up to the current occupation of Iraq by American-led forces.

Martini Doctor · 12-19-2005, 07:33

The second!

First: Iran vs. Iraq
Second: Allies vs. Iraq (Desert Storm a.o.)
Third: Allies vs. Iraq

Although I know that it is popular to call the war in the beginnings of the 90ies the first gulf war, among historians and political scientist it's the second...

But 1992 is what i wanted to know. Just wondered if Sadam already was the bad guy when Privateer came out...

Chevieblazer · 12-19-2005, 08:06

hmm, i suppose that the green uniform and black berret refers to the confed commandos(remember the screens of commandos on firekka?)
now we need to figure why confed commandos look like saddam...

Martini Doctor · 12-19-2005, 08:27

This is one famous Saddam picture... In the early 90ies there was leaflet showing four pigs. And it asked you to find the fith pig... and after some minutes of complex folding this Saddam picture appeared... was fun back then....

Anyway, I guess every second army on this Planet wears green uniforms and black berrets...no need to see any connection to WC...

Dyret · 12-19-2005, 08:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martini Doctor

Anyway, I guess every second army on this Planet wears green uniforms and black berrets...no need to see any connection to WC...

Except for the unimportant little fact that it's in Privateer.

Martini Doctor · 12-19-2005, 08:46

sure... but this is really wake

Nob Akimoto · 12-19-2005, 08:49

That woman looks hideously deformed.

PeteyG · 12-19-2005, 10:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martini Doctor

This is one famous Saddam picture... In the early 90ies there was leaflet showing four pigs. And it asked you to find the fith pig... and after some minutes of complex folding this Saddam picture appeared... was fun back then....

Anyway, I guess every second army on this Planet wears green uniforms and black berrets...no need to see any connection to WC...

Saddam Hussein, back in the day, was really big on the olivishy-green military uniform and black beret. It was kind of his thing (...one of his things).

http://www.onpointradio.org/content/...2saddam140.jpg
http://www.spartacus.no/admin/artikk...r/31.media.jpg

But is he supposed to be MY dad? Your dad? Is the poster targeted at his infamous sons? Why would they be in a Gemini Sector mercenary guild in the 27th century?

Maybe the best question is... 'why wouldn't they be in a Gemini Sector mercenary guild in the 27th century?'

Fatcat · 12-19-2005, 16:37

Quote:

This is one famous Saddam picture... In the early 90ies there was leaflet showing four pigs. And it asked you to find the fith pig... and after some minutes of complex folding this Saddam picture appeared... was fun back then....

Can you still find it? Sounds interesting.

Halman · 12-19-2005, 17:05

Actually, I'm pretty sure it was called the Iran-Iraq war in the history classes I took.

Operation Desert Shield/Storm is the Gulf War.

Martini Doctor · 12-20-2005, 03:56

Hm... Maybe this is then just as it among political scientists...
Not long ago I did a paper about millitary intervention by democratic coalitions in despotic systems. And in ALL the literture I used (something about thirty books and articles in german and english) they used the first, second, third - system I used in the post above.

Aplha 1-1 · 12-20-2005, 23:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nob Akimoto

That woman looks hideously deformed.

Thats probably why she's lonely.

Zelvik · 12-22-2005, 11:17

It realy depends on the time of the publication. Before the recent gulf war most publications spoke of the first and second gulf war when it came to the former wars. After 2003 the recent war was sometimes labeled as the second gulf war, but mainly by US sources (refering to the 2nd war the US was directly involved in). Whereas in Europe and in other US publications the old version of naming the wars was maintained and the war is either refered to as 3rd gulf war in a few publications while many (at least in the German speaking countries) just refer to it as the Iraq war (especially journalists and media).
On another note while first gulf war is the norm when referring to the Iran-Iraq both are used even in the same publications at times as they dont contradict each other.

ChrisReid · 12-23-2005, 18:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martini Doctor

Hm... Maybe this is then just as it among political scientists...

I have a degree in political science, and nobody has ever referred to the Iran/Iraq war as the first gulf war around me. Zelvik provided a much better explanation why. Everyone here always referred to the Iran/Iraq war as the Iran/Iraq War and the 1990 war as The Gulf War. So the answer is not quite so elitist. From a practical view, I don't know why anyone would name the wars the way you've been exposed to. There were many other wars fought around the Persian Gulf. It only makes sense to start naming them Gulf War 1/2 here because those were the only real times we were engaged in fighting there in like eighty years.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nob Akimoto

That woman looks hideously deformed.

She has her hand over part of her chest.

Quarto · 12-24-2005, 02:35

To be fair, Chris, I also studied political science (well... international relations, it's not quite the same thing, but close), and I definitely have come across various sources that referred to the Iran/Iraq war as the Gulf War. But I've also seen a lot of sources (the majority, most likely) that referred to it as the Iran/Iraq war, and just about every post-1990 book I've seen does that rather than calling it the Gulf War. In that aspect, I guess it may be a little bit like WWI - before WWII came along, it was called the Great War. But after WWII, it just didn't seem that great any more.

And as for the reason why people would've called it the Gulf War in the first place... well, I can think of at least two reasons. Firsly, because Iran/Iraq sounds more like slash fiction than a war

. In general, people prefer to come up with names that don't involve slashes (Falklands War, WWII, WWI, American War of Independence, 1812 War, and so on). The second reason is that the US and other countries ended up having to get involved because the war has spread onto the Persian Gulf itself, with attacks on neutral tankers and the like. This was certainly the first war to be fought on the Gulf, at least in the 20th century.

Darkmage · 12-24-2005, 04:44

Love your dad hehehehe been using that one as my CS spray for sometime now, always gets a laugh on the server.

Zelvik · 12-24-2005, 06:49

Not beeing done yet but I am aproaching my masters degree in polsci. Gulf wars arent realy anywhere near my specialications but the labeling of the Iran/Iraq war as first gulf war is quite common around here (in German speaking sources). But I guess it realy depends on the perspective and context.

Bandit LOAF · 12-24-2005, 08:01

I'm sure it evolves differently in different fields -- you generally still refer to 'The Great war' in English lit, for instance...

NinjaLA · 12-24-2005, 13:56

Just call them what they are, Iran/Iraq, Desert storm and Desert Shield

Gulf war applies to any of about 200 wars fought there in the last 4000 years.. and those are just the ones we know of.

Cargoman · 12-24-2005, 20:25

The "Who's Your Buddy" poster reminds me of a Viet Nam era U.S. Army poster .
"shower with a friend" with a M-16 (AR-15 if you prefer) in front of a shower stall.

12-17-2005, 16:00	#1
Bandit LOAF It wears the skull of its dead mother on its head. When it becomes lonesome, it is said to cry loudly. Join Date: Jan 2000 Location: Ashton, MD, USA Posts: 23,954	Writing on the Walls (December 18, 2005) You stop by the Mercenaries Guild office to flirt with the scantily clad hostess and rifle through their stack of individual CDs containing bounties and patrol missions. On the wall, a projector flashes through a series of bizarre advertisements for sex, guns, missing children and... Saddam Hussein? Have you ever wondered exactly what those posters say? Of course -- you're a Wing Commander fan! Now, for the first time, you can see them in their original format. Marvel at the fact that that child has been missing for 43 years... or that in the futuristic world of Privateer, phone sex costs more than a 9,500 ESK missile. I know where I'd get my satisfaction! Now, let's see one of the community's graphics geniuses get to work on a high resolution LOVE YOUR DAD poster we could have printed... -- Original update published on December 18, 2005

12-19-2005, 00:12	#4
Bandit LOAF It wears the skull of its dead mother on its head. When it becomes lonesome, it is said to cry loudly. Join Date: Jan 2000 Location: Ashton, MD, USA Posts: 23,954	Yeah, my dad looks a lot like Saddam, too. __________________ Long live the Confederation, Ben "Bandit" Lesnick, LMG. "You go, Loaf! Get some!" -JPG

12-19-2005, 02:28	#6
Martini Doctor Cadet Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Germany Posts: 72	When did the second gulf war end? 1992 right? __________________ "O then pause on the footprints of heroic men making a garden of the desert wide where Parry conquer'd death and Franklin died." Charles Dickens was thinking of the arctic, when he wrote this poem about Sir. John Franklin and William Parry, but I think it fits on space too.

12-19-2005, 03:24	#7
Ijuin Lieutenant General Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Tokyo, Japan Posts: 1,547	The first gulf war ended in 1992. The second gulf war is the one that led up to the current occupation of Iraq by American-led forces. __________________ Those who live by the sword...get shot by those who live by the gun.

12-19-2005, 07:33	#8
Martini Doctor Cadet Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Germany Posts: 72	The second! First: Iran vs. Iraq Second: Allies vs. Iraq (Desert Storm a.o.) Third: Allies vs. Iraq Although I know that it is popular to call the war in the beginnings of the 90ies the first gulf war, among historians and political scientist it's the second... But 1992 is what i wanted to know. Just wondered if Sadam already was the bad guy when Privateer came out... __________________ "O then pause on the footprints of heroic men making a garden of the desert wide where Parry conquer'd death and Franklin died." Charles Dickens was thinking of the arctic, when he wrote this poem about Sir. John Franklin and William Parry, but I think it fits on space too.

12-18-2005, 15:07	#2
privfan 1st Lieutenant Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 170	Straight on it doesn't look quite as much like Saddam as it did in game

12-19-2005, 00:01	#3
Dumpshock Cadet Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 52	It looks more like my father. x.x

12-19-2005, 02:23	#5
PeteyG I can have an avatar now Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 275	The Saddam poster. It has mystified me since the first time I played Privateer. WTF does it mean!?

12-19-2005, 08:06	#9
Chevieblazer Captain Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 431	hmm, i suppose that the green uniform and black berret refers to the confed commandos(remember the screens of commandos on firekka?) now we need to figure why confed commandos look like saddam...

12-19-2005, 08:27	#10
Martini Doctor Cadet Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Germany Posts: 72	This is one famous Saddam picture... In the early 90ies there was leaflet showing four pigs. And it asked you to find the fith pig... and after some minutes of complex folding this Saddam picture appeared... was fun back then.... Anyway, I guess every second army on this Planet wears green uniforms and black berrets...no need to see any connection to WC... __________________ "O then pause on the footprints of heroic men making a garden of the desert wide where Parry conquer'd death and Franklin died." Charles Dickens was thinking of the arctic, when he wrote this poem about Sir. John Franklin and William Parry, but I think it fits on space too.

12-19-2005, 08:46	#12
Martini Doctor Cadet Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Germany Posts: 72	sure... but this is really wake __________________ "O then pause on the footprints of heroic men making a garden of the desert wide where Parry conquer'd death and Franklin died." Charles Dickens was thinking of the arctic, when he wrote this poem about Sir. John Franklin and William Parry, but I think it fits on space too.

12-19-2005, 08:49	#13
Nob Akimoto 1st Lieutenant Join Date: Jan 2000 Location: Tokyo, Japan Posts: 163	That woman looks hideously deformed. __________________ "I hope you make it, Tarkington. Just don't pull the handle till after we've hit. Promise me." "I'm behind you all the way CAG..." -Captain Jacob Lee "Coolhand" Grafton, and Lieutenant Robert "Toad" Tarkington, Final Flight

12-19-2005, 17:05	#16
Halman PSY-YI-YI Join Date: Jan 2000 Location: Duluth, MN, USA Posts: 205	Actually, I'm pretty sure it was called the Iran-Iraq war in the history classes I took. Operation Desert Shield/Storm is the Gulf War.

12-20-2005, 03:56	#17
Martini Doctor Cadet Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Germany Posts: 72	Hm... Maybe this is then just as it among political scientists... Not long ago I did a paper about millitary intervention by democratic coalitions in despotic systems. And in ALL the literture I used (something about thirty books and articles in german and english) they used the first, second, third - system I used in the post above. __________________ "O then pause on the footprints of heroic men making a garden of the desert wide where Parry conquer'd death and Franklin died." Charles Dickens was thinking of the arctic, when he wrote this poem about Sir. John Franklin and William Parry, but I think it fits on space too.

12-22-2005, 11:17	#19
Zelvik Cadet Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 47	It realy depends on the time of the publication. Before the recent gulf war most publications spoke of the first and second gulf war when it came to the former wars. After 2003 the recent war was sometimes labeled as the second gulf war, but mainly by US sources (refering to the 2nd war the US was directly involved in). Whereas in Europe and in other US publications the old version of naming the wars was maintained and the war is either refered to as 3rd gulf war in a few publications while many (at least in the German speaking countries) just refer to it as the Iraq war (especially journalists and media). On another note while first gulf war is the norm when referring to the Iran-Iraq both are used even in the same publications at times as they dont contradict each other.

12-24-2005, 02:35	#21
Quarto Unknown Enemy Join Date: Jan 2000 Location: Poland Posts: 9,918	To be fair, Chris, I also studied political science (well... international relations, it's not quite the same thing, but close), and I definitely have come across various sources that referred to the Iran/Iraq war as the Gulf War. But I've also seen a lot of sources (the majority, most likely) that referred to it as the Iran/Iraq war, and just about every post-1990 book I've seen does that rather than calling it the Gulf War. In that aspect, I guess it may be a little bit like WWI - before WWII came along, it was called the Great War. But after WWII, it just didn't seem that great any more. And as for the reason why people would've called it the Gulf War in the first place... well, I can think of at least two reasons. Firsly, because Iran/Iraq sounds more like slash fiction than a war . In general, people prefer to come up with names that don't involve slashes (Falklands War, WWII, WWI, American War of Independence, 1812 War, and so on). The second reason is that the US and other countries ended up having to get involved because the war has spread onto the Persian Gulf itself, with attacks on neutral tankers and the like. This was certainly the first war to be fought on the Gulf, at least in the 20th century.

12-24-2005, 04:44	#22
Darkmage Major Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Australia Posts: 700	Love your dad hehehehe been using that one as my CS spray for sometime now, always gets a laugh on the server. __________________ Organiser and co founder of the Wing Commander Universe Project Http://wcuniverse.sourceforge.net

12-24-2005, 06:49	#23
Zelvik Cadet Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 47	Not beeing done yet but I am aproaching my masters degree in polsci. Gulf wars arent realy anywhere near my specialications but the labeling of the Iran/Iraq war as first gulf war is quite common around here (in German speaking sources). But I guess it realy depends on the perspective and context.

12-24-2005, 08:01	#24
Bandit LOAF It wears the skull of its dead mother on its head. When it becomes lonesome, it is said to cry loudly. Join Date: Jan 2000 Location: Ashton, MD, USA Posts: 23,954	I'm sure it evolves differently in different fields -- you generally still refer to 'The Great war' in English lit, for instance... __________________ Long live the Confederation, Ben "Bandit" Lesnick, LMG. "You go, Loaf! Get some!" -JPG

12-24-2005, 13:56	#25
NinjaLA Drowned Kilrathi Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Seward, AK Posts: 738	Just call them what they are, Iran/Iraq, Desert storm and Desert Shield Gulf war applies to any of about 200 wars fought there in the last 4000 years.. and those are just the ones we know of. __________________ WC webcomic and art galleries

12-24-2005, 20:25	#26
Cargoman 2nd Lieutenant Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Nor Kakalaki Posts: 112	The "Who's Your Buddy" poster reminds me of a Viet Nam era U.S. Army poster . "shower with a friend" with a M-16 (AR-15 if you prefer) in front of a shower stall.

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