Foolish Cruisers

Plywood Fiend · 08-16-2005, 15:07

I know this isn't the world's greatest picture but if you look closely, (or find a larger one), you can see that a number of the Talahassee class cruisers are upside down.

Why is this? Theories anyone?

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FrostyNSO · 08-16-2005, 15:15

I doubt it matters in space. Just looks a little unprofessional =)

Frosty · 08-16-2005, 15:16

Maybe it's all the other ships that are upside down.

Howard Day · 08-16-2005, 15:17

Wow. Because there's no "up" in space? The only exception to this is if you have the galactic disc as reference. And even then, it's mostly a meaningless point of reference.
As for WHY they might be upside down....The artists probably thought there were too many look-alike ships out there. Believe me, when you repeat a model that many times, even the most unskilled eye can spot it. So the easiest way to get some visual variety? Flip 'em upside down!

Now you know.

ChrisReid · 08-16-2005, 15:51

Can you really tell that those four ships are upside down from that picture?

Howard Day · 08-16-2005, 16:07

Heh. To be honest, I didn't look that closely. I suppose I should, before I comment.

TurboTim07 · 08-16-2005, 16:19

they do appear to look upside down to me

BrynS · 08-16-2005, 16:23

Yeah, I had noticed this before when extracting various FMV sequences using HCL's WC player. Due to the shot being rather short (~10 seconds) as well as the low resolution and heavy compression, one only notices it upon closer inspection and even then, it's not really a standout error. I would be inclined to support Howard's explaination to make the array of ships appear more diverse.

There also appears to be at least one visible Ranger model and possibly others in the scene that have also been flipped.

I've uploaded a 1MB DivX encode of the above scene here (click the "Free" buttom to download). This scene was extracted and encoded a few years back with increased brightness levels and a bicubic resize to 640x320.

Cheers,

BrynS

Plywood Fiend · 08-16-2005, 18:05

Hmm, so far i've counted 3 upside down rangers and something that might be the TCS Coral Sea, or probably just a blurry sheffield destroyer.

Bandit LOAF · 08-16-2005, 19:40

How in the universe would you ever decide that something might be the TCS Coral Sea (a pre-war carrier referenced briefly in Action Stations)?

Dahan · 08-16-2005, 20:15

they look like they are upside down but then it could have been a new class of ship that was never mention
which fleet was this which suppose to draw out the Kilrathi which allow the templor bomb wing to hit kilrah??

Howard Day · 08-16-2005, 20:38

Bandit LOAF:
*cough*wishfulthinking*cough*

Seriously - how could you tell? There's not a ship on there that's any higher resolution than 30 pixels. (besides that big Tallahasse up front). At that resolution it's like finding pictures in clouds.

Hold on a sec......I see a bunny.

Edfilho · 08-17-2005, 11:14

But is the bunny upside down?

Plywood Fiend · 08-17-2005, 11:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Howard Day

Bandit LOAF:
*cough*wishfulthinking*cough*

Seriously - how could you tell? There's not a ship on there that's any higher resolution than 30 pixels. (besides that big Tallahasse up front). At that resolution it's like finding pictures in clouds.

Hold on a sec......I see a bunny.

*Sigh*

I never said i could tell, i said it looks like. (And i'm going by the one shown on tactics.solsector.net. which looks like a squashed sheffield cruiser, (at least from the back and at a large distance, sort of)), which is probably what is in the picture if you want to be unimaginative.

Its like star constellations, you have to use your imagination.

Howard Day · 08-17-2005, 11:53

Ah, yes. Fleet Tactics. That does explain it.

ChrisReid · 08-17-2005, 13:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Plywood Fiend

I never said i could tell, i said it looks like. (And i'm going by the one shown on tactics.solsector.net. which looks like a squashed sheffield cruiser, (at least from the back and at a large distance, sort of)), which is probably what is in the picture if you want to be unimaginative.

Its like star constellations, you have to use your imagination.

That's not the point.. the "Coral Sea" you're referring to doesn't really exist in Wing Commander.. and the only one in Wing Commander that does exist couldn't possibly be in that picture, so saying you think you see it there doesn't make a lot of sense.

Plywood Fiend · 08-17-2005, 13:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisReid

That's not the point.. the "Coral Sea" you're referring to doesn't really exist in Wing Commander.. and the only one in Wing Commander that does exist couldn't possibly be in that picture, so saying you think you see it there doesn't make a lot of sense.

Well i did say it required imagination, (and that it was probably a blurry looking Sheffield class destroyer after all). I didn't actually believe that the programmers had designed in a new class of carrier for a three second appearance.

In other words, it was a joke/insincere statement.

EDIT

Hmmm, on further reading i poorly worded the last post i made, what i meant was probably in the picture was a blurry sheffield, not the Coral Sea.

Frosty · 08-17-2005, 14:12

OH MY GOD, IT'S THE CORAL SEA:

Plywood Fiend · 08-17-2005, 14:15

Looks more like the Lexington to me

LeHah · 08-17-2005, 14:17

Nomad Terror · 08-17-2005, 14:30

This thread is George Washington approved.

Where are the super polymers?

Howard Day · 08-17-2005, 14:44

Frosty: Nice use of a previous Fark Photoshop Original. I'm impressed.

In other news.....
Mmmmmmmm, Super Polymers.......slobber.

Ridgerunner · 08-17-2005, 14:47

Oh no. Here we go again with the super polymers. I just wish I knew why some folks get all pissed off about the super polymers.

I'm not getting Frosty's pic. What's up with that?

Paddybhoy · 08-17-2005, 17:58

That is one big shuttlecock

, bad memories of Badmington at P.E.

Bandit LOAF · 08-17-2005, 18:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ridgerunner

Oh no. Here we go again with the super polymers. I just wish I knew why some folks get all pissed off about the super polymers.

I'm not getting Frosty's pic. What's up with that?

Well, the point is that there's never been a picture or description of the TCS Coral Sea anywhere in Wing Commander... so identifying the Coral Sea in a picture would seemingly be absolutely impossible.

Edfilho · 08-18-2005, 07:22

Oh God, please, no, NO MORE SUPER POLYMERS!
next thing you know, we'll be talking about paint ball cannons

08-16-2005, 15:07	#1
Plywood Fiend 1st Lieutenant Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: England Posts: 210	Foolish Cruisers I know this isn't the world's greatest picture but if you look closely, (or find a larger one), you can see that a number of the Talahassee class cruisers are upside down. Why is this? Theories anyone? __________________ A pox on the eye! I'd pluck it out if I knew where it was.

08-16-2005, 15:15	#2
FrostyNSO 2nd Lieutenant Join Date: May 2004 Location: California Posts: 119	I doubt it matters in space. Just looks a little unprofessional =) __________________ Legio Patria Nostra

08-16-2005, 15:16	#3
Frosty HAHAHA BONES Join Date: Jan 2000 Location: Cooter, MO Posts: 1,842	Maybe it's all the other ships that are upside down. __________________ Activate mass acceleration iron drivers and prepare to kill some pussy.

08-16-2005, 16:23	#8
BrynS Mr Kat says... Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: TCS Victory Posts: 481	Yeah, I had noticed this before when extracting various FMV sequences using HCL's WC player. Due to the shot being rather short (~10 seconds) as well as the low resolution and heavy compression, one only notices it upon closer inspection and even then, it's not really a standout error. I would be inclined to support Howard's explaination to make the array of ships appear more diverse. There also appears to be at least one visible Ranger model and possibly others in the scene that have also been flipped. I've uploaded a 1MB DivX encode of the above scene here (click the "Free" buttom to download). This scene was extracted and encoded a few years back with increased brightness levels and a bicubic resize to 640x320. Cheers, BrynS __________________ "Your work is both good and original. Unfortunately the part that is good is not original and the part that is original is not good." - Samuel Johnson Last edited by BrynS; 08-16-2005 at 17:01.

08-16-2005, 18:05	#9
Plywood Fiend 1st Lieutenant Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: England Posts: 210	Hmm, so far i've counted 3 upside down rangers and something that might be the TCS Coral Sea, or probably just a blurry sheffield destroyer. __________________ A pox on the eye! I'd pluck it out if I knew where it was.

08-16-2005, 15:17	#4
Howard Day Pioneer Art Monkey Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Eugene, OR, USA Posts: 719	Wow. Because there's no "up" in space? The only exception to this is if you have the galactic disc as reference. And even then, it's mostly a meaningless point of reference. As for WHY they might be upside down....The artists probably thought there were too many look-alike ships out there. Believe me, when you repeat a model that many times, even the most unskilled eye can spot it. So the easiest way to get some visual variety? Flip 'em upside down! Now you know.

08-16-2005, 15:51	#5
ChrisReid Super Soaker Collector Administrator Join Date: Jan 2000 Location: Seattle, Washington, USA Posts: 9,946	Can you really tell that those four ships are upside down from that picture?

08-16-2005, 16:07	#6
Howard Day Pioneer Art Monkey Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Eugene, OR, USA Posts: 719	Heh. To be honest, I didn't look that closely. I suppose I should, before I comment.

08-16-2005, 16:19	#7
TurboTim07 Captain Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Covington, GA Posts: 333	they do appear to look upside down to me

08-16-2005, 19:40	#10
Bandit LOAF It wears the skull of its dead mother on its head. When it becomes lonesome, it is said to cry loudly. Join Date: Jan 2000 Location: Ashton, MD, USA Posts: 23,947	How in the universe would you ever decide that something might be the TCS Coral Sea (a pre-war carrier referenced briefly in Action Stations)? __________________ Long live the Confederation, Ben "Bandit" Lesnick, LMG. "You go, Loaf! Get some!" -JPG

08-16-2005, 20:15	#11
Dahan Lieutenant Colonel Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Adelaide, Australia Posts: 908	they look like they are upside down but then it could have been a new class of ship that was never mention which fleet was this which suppose to draw out the Kilrathi which allow the templor bomb wing to hit kilrah?? __________________ "A friend is easier lost than found," "A witty saying proves nothing" - Voltaire

08-16-2005, 20:38	#12
Howard Day Pioneer Art Monkey Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Eugene, OR, USA Posts: 719	Bandit LOAF: coughwishfulthinkingcough Seriously - how could you tell? There's not a ship on there that's any higher resolution than 30 pixels. (besides that big Tallahasse up front). At that resolution it's like finding pictures in clouds. Hold on a sec......I see a bunny.

08-17-2005, 11:14	#13
Edfilho Cry some more! Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Rio de Janeiro - Brazil Posts: 3,522	But is the bunny upside down?

08-17-2005, 11:53	#15
Howard Day Pioneer Art Monkey Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Eugene, OR, USA Posts: 719	Ah, yes. Fleet Tactics. That does explain it.

08-17-2005, 14:12	#18
Frosty HAHAHA BONES Join Date: Jan 2000 Location: Cooter, MO Posts: 1,842	OH MY GOD, IT'S THE CORAL SEA:

08-17-2005, 14:15	#19
Plywood Fiend 1st Lieutenant Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: England Posts: 210	Looks more like the Lexington to me __________________ A pox on the eye! I'd pluck it out if I knew where it was.

08-17-2005, 14:17	#20
LeHah 212th Special Ops, "The Old Man's Eyes And Ears" Join Date: May 2000 Location: Blackmane System Posts: 7,212	__________________ Gleaming shell of an outworn lie; fable of Right divine -- You gained your crowns by heritage, but Blood was the price of mine. The throne that I won by blood and sweat, by Crom, I will not sell For promise of valleys filled with gold, or threat of the Halls of Hell!

08-17-2005, 14:30	#21
Nomad Terror Lieutenant Colonel Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: TX Posts: 999	This thread is George Washington approved. Where are the super polymers?

08-17-2005, 14:44	#22
Howard Day Pioneer Art Monkey Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Eugene, OR, USA Posts: 719	Frosty: Nice use of a previous Fark Photoshop Original. I'm impressed. In other news..... Mmmmmmmm, Super Polymers.......slobber.

08-17-2005, 14:47	#23
Ridgerunner Lieutenant Colonel Join Date: May 2002 Location: Irving, TX Posts: 796	Oh no. Here we go again with the super polymers. I just wish I knew why some folks get all pissed off about the super polymers. I'm not getting Frosty's pic. What's up with that? __________________ Something, something, something......

08-17-2005, 17:58	#24
Paddybhoy 1st Lieutenant Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Glasgow, Scotland Posts: 190	That is one big shuttlecock , bad memories of Badmington at P.E. __________________ Bound only by the paper-thin wrapper of mortality, a soul here lies, struggling to be free. And so it shall, thanks to a bowl of bad gazpacho, and a man named... Calavera.

08-18-2005, 07:22	#26
Edfilho Cry some more! Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Rio de Janeiro - Brazil Posts: 3,522	Oh God, please, no, NO MORE SUPER POLYMERS! next thing you know, we'll be talking about paint ball cannons

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