What happend to Flash
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WildWeasel
Spaceman
Flash died. I'm not exactly sure how, but I think it might have been on the last mission of Wing Commander III. (I'm speaking historically, of course.) I think Flint died on that mission, too. We know that Maniac survived it, though.
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Put that in your pipe and smoke it!
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Put that in your pipe and smoke it!
Flash died much earlier than that in the Delius system. Hobbes was his wingman, and while fighting the cats when the Vic was getting ready to jump out, Hobbes hesitated, and wasn't able to assist Flash. BTW, that was just after they have received the message from Thrak, the one that removed Hobbes' mind overlay thingy.
The three pilots that went to Kilrah with Blair were Maniac, Flint and Vag. Vag ejected before they reached the first supply depot, after they were spoted by a pair of Darkets. Flint was killed in Kilrahs atmosphere while covering Blairs run, and Maniac managed to eject in the atmosphere and somehow reach the orbit. Some of the missiles Maniac fired before ejecting helped Blair kill Thrak.
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The three pilots that went to Kilrah with Blair were Maniac, Flint and Vag. Vag ejected before they reached the first supply depot, after they were spoted by a pair of Darkets. Flint was killed in Kilrahs atmosphere while covering Blairs run, and Maniac managed to eject in the atmosphere and somehow reach the orbit. Some of the missiles Maniac fired before ejecting helped Blair kill Thrak.
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That is, of course, according to the novel, in case you haven't read it.
In the game, you can't fight Thrakhath if you still have a wingmate. God, it was so irritating back in my newbie days when I would sit for hours, reading a book, and making my wingmate kill all those endless streams of Kilrathi!
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If I'm locked on, there's no such thing as evasive action!
In the game, you can't fight Thrakhath if you still have a wingmate. God, it was so irritating back in my newbie days when I would sit for hours, reading a book, and making my wingmate kill all those endless streams of Kilrathi!
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If I'm locked on, there's no such thing as evasive action!
Mad Hatter
Spaceman
I just finished the WC3 novel myself, and I must say it`s quite irritaiting the way Forstchen kills off just about everybody in the book. According to the book it seems that Blair is in fact a real screw-up, and that Maniac was quite correct in saying that just because Blair got lucky on Kilrah, doesn`t mean he`s the only war hero.
Quarto
Unknown Enemy
Dralthi5, you still had a wingman when you got to Thrak?
How in hell did you manage that?
'Hatter: True indeed. It seems odd to read about Blair failing, doesn't it?
BTW, my False Colours finally arrived two days ago (I finished it the next day). Thanks again
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'Hatter: True indeed. It seems odd to read about Blair failing, doesn't it?
BTW, my False Colours finally arrived two days ago (I finished it the next day). Thanks again
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Mad Hatter
Spaceman
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Quarto:
BTW, my False Colours finally arrived two days ago (I finished it the next day). Thanks again
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Boy that sure took a while, didn`t it?
I still have TPOF and False Colors on the shelf waiting to be read.
I don`t know what I`ll do with myself, now that I`m running out of WC books to read...
Maybe I`ll finally start studying...
BTW, my False Colours finally arrived two days ago (I finished it the next day). Thanks again
Boy that sure took a while, didn`t it?
I still have TPOF and False Colors on the shelf waiting to be read.
I don`t know what I`ll do with myself, now that I`m running out of WC books to read...
Maybe I`ll finally start studying...
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Mad Hatter:
According to the book it seems that Blair is in fact a real screw-up, and that Maniac was quite correct in saying that just because Blair got lucky on Kilrah, doesn`t mean he`s the only war hero.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I actually like that Blair. Much more realistic than the one we see in games. I mean, at the begining of WC4, he just lost his wife, he hasn't flown anything for years, and sudenly he goes againts Seether and doesn't get his ass kicked. At the begining of WC3, he just came back to service after being injured, he didn't fly for a while, he's questioning the whole purpose of this war, and worst of all, he hasn't heard from Angel for a long time, and he fails his first mission. Many people seem to forget that Blair is just one of the pilots, not some super hero.
According to the book it seems that Blair is in fact a real screw-up, and that Maniac was quite correct in saying that just because Blair got lucky on Kilrah, doesn`t mean he`s the only war hero.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I actually like that Blair. Much more realistic than the one we see in games. I mean, at the begining of WC4, he just lost his wife, he hasn't flown anything for years, and sudenly he goes againts Seether and doesn't get his ass kicked. At the begining of WC3, he just came back to service after being injured, he didn't fly for a while, he's questioning the whole purpose of this war, and worst of all, he hasn't heard from Angel for a long time, and he fails his first mission. Many people seem to forget that Blair is just one of the pilots, not some super hero.
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Mad Hatter
Spaceman
He`s no super hero, but there`s a reason why he got his reputation, and not only does he fail the first mission in WC3, he fails after that quite a few times, and manages to lose his entire squadron too. it`s just not the same Blair I played through the series.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Mad Hatter:
He`s no super hero, but there`s a reason why he got his reputation, and not only does he fail the first mission in WC3, he fails after that quite a few times,<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Which is much more realistic than wining everything... Besides, the only major failure is at Locanda, and it wasn't really Blairs fault.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Arial">quote:</font><HR> and manages to lose his entire squadron too. it`s just not the same Blair I played through the series.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>That isn't Blairs fault either. Flash is killed because Hobbes, who was already his true self, didn't watch out for him, Cobra is dead because of Hobbes, Vaquero is dead because of Hobbes, and Hobbes is dead because of Hobbes.
Then we have Flint who dies during the suicide mission, and two or so Gold squadron pilots that died in Locanda. And all of that is much more realistic than not having any of your pilots dead.
Yes, Blair is one of the best pilots, and he does have some speciall abilities because of his heritage, but those abilities don't make him super strong, or help him too much during dog fighting.
He`s no super hero, but there`s a reason why he got his reputation, and not only does he fail the first mission in WC3, he fails after that quite a few times,<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Which is much more realistic than wining everything... Besides, the only major failure is at Locanda, and it wasn't really Blairs fault.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Arial">quote:</font><HR> and manages to lose his entire squadron too. it`s just not the same Blair I played through the series.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>That isn't Blairs fault either. Flash is killed because Hobbes, who was already his true self, didn't watch out for him, Cobra is dead because of Hobbes, Vaquero is dead because of Hobbes, and Hobbes is dead because of Hobbes.
Yes, Blair is one of the best pilots, and he does have some speciall abilities because of his heritage, but those abilities don't make him super strong, or help him too much during dog fighting.
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Quarto
Unknown Enemy
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Arial">quote:</font><HR>Boy that sure took a while, didn`t it?
I still have TPOF and False Colors on the shelf waiting to be read.
I don`t know what I`ll do with myself, now that I`m running out of WC books to read...
Maybe I`ll finally start studying...
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Aye, it did... but the timing was perfect. It arrived on the very day I submitted a major assignment. Had it arrived a day earlier, I'd have had to hold off on starting it
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Hmmm... yes, start studying... probably a good idea
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Arial">quote:</font><HR>Yes, Blair is one of the best pilots, and he does have some speciall abilities because of his heritage, but those abilities don't make him super strong, or help him too much during dog fighting.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Actually, it would. Thanks to his special abilities, he can make instantaneous course corrections as required, taking into considerating all sorts of external facts (gravity, relative velocity, et cetera). His course corrections are 100% perfect, otherwise he wouldn't have made that jump.
Well, guess what? You aim by making course corrections. Therefore, Blair's accuracy should be a thousand times better than anybody else's, and without even touching the ITTS.
I still have TPOF and False Colors on the shelf waiting to be read.
I don`t know what I`ll do with myself, now that I`m running out of WC books to read...
Maybe I`ll finally start studying...
Aye, it did... but the timing was perfect. It arrived on the very day I submitted a major assignment. Had it arrived a day earlier, I'd have had to hold off on starting it
Hmmm... yes, start studying... probably a good idea
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Arial">quote:</font><HR>Yes, Blair is one of the best pilots, and he does have some speciall abilities because of his heritage, but those abilities don't make him super strong, or help him too much during dog fighting.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Actually, it would. Thanks to his special abilities, he can make instantaneous course corrections as required, taking into considerating all sorts of external facts (gravity, relative velocity, et cetera). His course corrections are 100% perfect, otherwise he wouldn't have made that jump.
Well, guess what? You aim by making course corrections. Therefore, Blair's accuracy should be a thousand times better than anybody else's, and without even touching the ITTS.
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Quarto:
Actually, it would. Thanks to his special abilities, he can make instantaneous course corrections as required, taking into considerating all sorts of external facts (gravity, relative velocity, et cetera). His course corrections are 100% perfect, otherwise he wouldn't have made that jump.
Well, guess what? You aim by making course corrections. Therefore, Blair's accuracy should be a thousand times better than anybody else's, and without even touching the ITTS.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Handling of his fighter could be better, like demonstrated by some Pilgrim pilots in PS, but that doesn't mean he would such an excelent pilot, neither would be his aim. The Pilgrims don't use "The Force" to guide their torpedos into the little vents on those huge Confed ships you know.
Actually, it would. Thanks to his special abilities, he can make instantaneous course corrections as required, taking into considerating all sorts of external facts (gravity, relative velocity, et cetera). His course corrections are 100% perfect, otherwise he wouldn't have made that jump.
Well, guess what? You aim by making course corrections. Therefore, Blair's accuracy should be a thousand times better than anybody else's, and without even touching the ITTS.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Handling of his fighter could be better, like demonstrated by some Pilgrim pilots in PS, but that doesn't mean he would such an excelent pilot, neither would be his aim. The Pilgrims don't use "The Force" to guide their torpedos into the little vents on those huge Confed ships you know.
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Quarto
Unknown Enemy
I don't think you understand, Earthworm. Pilgrims are obviously very, very good at keeping track of their trajectory relative to everything else out there. Therefore, Blair's mind is a better ITTS then Confed could dream of.
Speaking of using the Force, I was actually very surprised when, at the end of X-Wing, they made you use the Force on the trench run. The buggers actually made it impossible to get a lock on that damned shaft
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Speaking of using the Force, I was actually very surprised when, at the end of X-Wing, they made you use the Force on the trench run. The buggers actually made it impossible to get a lock on that damned shaft
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Wedge009
Rogue Leader
Not having read the books, I say it's very different to hear about Blair being Blair, as opposed to a gamer being Blair knocking off AI. In WC4.123106 you read about severe cases of 'hero worship' and after hearing about Blair not-quite-successes, I guess feel a little hurt that the hero I'm playing is just another pilot.
Wedge009: Err WC4.123106 is a parody. The author deliberately changed stuff to make it funny like Thrakhath changing his name to Zeke & becoming a farmer, 'Panties' & 'Hulk,' 'Puff Squadron', the 'Hollywood Marines,' 'Papillon Station,' the list is endless.
Besides Blair's successes far outweigh his fialures. Let's see now: he destroyed the Kilrathi Imperial HQ, the Sivar dreadnought & helped save the Firekkans in WC1. He destroyed K'Tithrak Mang, shot down Thrak, saved Ghorah Khar, killed Jazz, destroyed the Mandarins more or less single handedly
in WC2. In WC3 "so a guy get's lucky on 1 bombing run, happens to wipe out an enemy we've been fighting for eons..." In WC4 he foils Tolwyn's dastardly plot. So he stuffs up a patrol & Locanda gets dusted on his watch - big deal.
As for Blair vs Skywalker put them both in X Wings & have them go at it for a few sorties. Then put them both in Excaliburs & have them go at it for a few more sorties. Then total up the average scores & presto.
As for university or otherwise examinations when do you guys finish?
Besides Blair's successes far outweigh his fialures. Let's see now: he destroyed the Kilrathi Imperial HQ, the Sivar dreadnought & helped save the Firekkans in WC1. He destroyed K'Tithrak Mang, shot down Thrak, saved Ghorah Khar, killed Jazz, destroyed the Mandarins more or less single handedly
As for Blair vs Skywalker put them both in X Wings & have them go at it for a few sorties. Then put them both in Excaliburs & have them go at it for a few more sorties. Then total up the average scores & presto.
As for university or otherwise examinations when do you guys finish?
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Wedge009
Rogue Leader
I used the WC4.123106 example to make a point that, although not quite as fanatically as some, I really do admire the Blair that we see in the games (the nice/successful Blair of course, as opposed to bastard/losing Blair).
AS for uni, my end-of-semester exams finish in about three weeks. Hmmm, maybe I should be studying.
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AS for uni, my end-of-semester exams finish in about three weeks. Hmmm, maybe I should be studying.
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