Insults

[Mekt-Hakkikt]

That distress call was not necessarily sent to the Midway. She just intercepted it.
And finding a cloaked ship is never easy, the crew of the Tiger's Claw can confirm that.
Anyway, I am glad that this won't change into a serious debate.

So, pendell: The Kilrathi are then just superior to the humans, as they have both, natural weapons AND a well developed brain, matching, if not surpassing the human's cognitive abilities.

The humans are even too dumb to realize they should never have left their trees, even less should they have left their planet. The universe is no place for such nancies.

BTW, Zor: I never saw a cat doing that. Actually I dislike cats. I only saw our dog barking at his reflection in his water bowl.

[Edited by Mekt-Hakkikt on 04-10-2001 at 18:47]

 

[pendell]

Originally posted by Mekt-Hakkikt

So, pendell: The Kilrathi are then just superior to the Kilrathi

You realize, of course, that this sentence makes
absolutely no sense at all.

The humans are even too dumb to realize they should never have left their trees, even less should they have left their planet. The universe is no place for such nancies.

Yeah, we're dumb. We're so dumb we've expanded throughout
space. We're so dumb that we crushed your leaders and
made them crawl like vermin! We're
so dumb that Melek, your Glorious Leader, practically
falls over himself kissing up to us! We're so dumb
that we shorted out your glorious destiny!

Remember, when you sleep at night: there is no more
Tr'thak. We -- those humans "too dumb to stay in the
trees" -- we humans took it from you. When you die, Sivar shall turn his face from you, unworthy warrior. When you die, Kn'thrak awaits you. The demon spawn of Cthulthu await thee in the endless night, to devour thee and thy offspring forever!


-- Brian P.

DISCLAIMER: Insults are for training purposes only.
No actual insult of any beings on this board, living
or dead, is intended or implied.

-- BDP.

[Edited by pendell on 04-10-2001 at 18:42]

 

[Mekt-Hakkikt]

Oh, yes! Guess it is already too late for me. I changed it.

First of all Melek is NOT our leader. And without the help from the Kilrathi the humans would not have defeated those intruders. Nobody said that those are the Star Gods and the Kilrathi helping the Terran pilots did not seem very scared when they destroyed that bug Carrier, e.g. .
Sivar still smiles on the Kilrathi, you infidel ape.

 

[Quarto]

Originally posted by pendell
Tell me -- in real history, how many revolutions have *started* during a time of foreign war? Heck, tinpot dictators start them to keep the lid on at home! How do you think Syria, Iraq and other lovely places keep their people in line? By giving them an external enemy (Isreal)to hate!

Eheh... most revolutions start during a time of severe trouble, economic or otherwise. Wartime provides excellent opportunities, as the Russians have demonstrated.
Furthermore, Syria certainly did not at any time attack Israel just to keep the lid on internal troubles. 1948, they attacked because they didn't feel all that happy about seeing their neighbours being forced out of their land, and they certainly weren't happy about the massacres the Israelis were perpetrating. 1967, Israel attacked, not the Syrians. 1973, Syrians attacked to regain their territory which was occupied by Israel.
Iraq is a different matter, of course, but it's no coincidence that within days of Saddam Hussein's defeat in the Gulf War, half of the country was engulfed by revolution. Ironically, it was the Americans that saved Saddam Hussein's government, by giving him back his battle helicopters.

"You fight like a Dairy farmer!"

How appropriate...

Raptor says:
Three words: Six Day War. Democracies aren't the only ones who can be blindsided by a surprise attack or pre-emptive strike. It's interesting that none of the real world military dictatorships you mention have ever beaten democratic (and tiny) Israel since it was created. From the original war in 1948, the Six Day War, Yom Kippur, the Bekka Valley, it's been Israel all the way.

Israel won because they had American support, not because of some intrinsic strenght of democracy. Indeed, they practically did lose Yom Kippur - but then they threatened to use nuclear weapons, and so America quickly rushed in to help them with arms shipments, to prevent a nuclear war.

Pendell says:
I brought them up as a counter-example to the contention that there would be violent revolution if Confed lost at Mcauliffe when, in fact, violent revolutions in the middle of a war are rare.

Well, revolutions in general are rare. But like I said earlier, the Russians had one during WWI, Iraq had one following the Gulf War. And China had one during and following WWII. I can't remember right now, but the overthrow of the monarchy in Egypt was also a direct result of their defeat in the 1948 war.

 

[Raptor]

Originally posted by pendell

Remember, when you sleep at night: there is no more Tr'thak. We -- those humans "too dumb to stay in the
trees" -- we humans took it from you. When you die, Sivar shall turn his face from you, unworthy warrior. When you die, Kn'thrak awaits you. The demon spawn of Cthulthu await thee in the endless night, to devour thee and thy offspring forever!

Uh, huh. Just remember that it was a human rather than a Kilrathi who decided that 90 percent of his own species was unfit to live. Maybe old Tolywn was on to something after all.

Best, Raptor

 

[Mekt-Hakkikt]

Hmm, a thought just occured to me: If the Terrans hadn't blown Kilrah to pieces, the "deafening thunder" which starts "the dark age" would not have taken place. Hence the Confederation is to blame for this incursion.

And good point Raptor, even the humans see that they are weak.

 

[Bandit LOAF]

Err, duh -- the Prophecy is only fulfilled once the Kilrathi have been defeated in battle.

 

[Mekt-Hakkikt]

I wasn't serious (nobody is in this thread).
Still, if Blair hadn't destroyed Kilrah, no prophecy, no bugs.
Of course, nobody knows if those bugs are really the Star gods.
Well, someone might know, of course...

 

[Bandit LOAF]

The purpose of such a Prophecy is to be so broad (and yet seem specific) that it can allow whatever actual events occur to be explained... the prophecy was the Kilrathi way of explaining the Nephilim, not vice-versa.

 

[Mekt-Hakkikt]

"(...)one who has the heart of a Kilrathi but is not Kilrathi born shall rain cleansing fire down upon us (...). With a deafening thunder shall the dark age begin."
I really wonder who that person might be and what is meant with that fire and deafening thunder...
Anyway, just a creepy story...

 

[Manjana]

Good quoted. But I really had to read it in the german version of P. because I didn't understand the voice. But the English font on the stone I understood even more less..

 

[pendell]

Originally posted by Mekt-Hakkikt

First of all Melek is NOT our leader.

The evidence suggests otherwise. Who is the
head of the Assembly of Kilrathi Clans?
Who is that bowing before Admiral Tolwyn at the end of WCIII, so low he's practically kissing his boots? Who was it who went and begged, BEGGED Confed for a new homeworld, and was graciously granted Pasqual 10, since we didn't
have a better use for that rubbish heap?

Great, mighty warrior race ... BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!

Nobody said that those are the Star Gods

The opening scene of WCP suggests otherwise. Are you sure
you're playing the same WC as the rest of us? Remember
the voice of the Prophetess chanting while the Bugs come
through the gate? Remember what the Kilrathi wrote
in blood on the deck of their cruiser? Clearly the Bugs are the fulfillment of the prophecy. The Bugs *are* the Star Gods -- and the Kilrathi are being terrorized by a people who think the Moray is a capable starfighter! HA!

and the Kilrathi helping the Terran pilots did not seem very scared when they destroyed that bug Carrier, e.g. .

They didn't seem very competent, either.

"Farewell, my clan..." Useless people. Yes, we used
their help. We can always use more target drones for the
bugs to shoot at while the REAL fighters blow the
bugs away.

Sivar still smiles on the Kilrathi, you infidel ape.

The evidence suggests otherwise:

1. Losing the War (I wonder what the Kilrathi call the
war against the humans? The War Of Naked Ape Aggression?)

You say it was a fluke. I say it is a sign of Sivar's
disfavor. In a universe peopled with Gods, there ain't
no such thing as a fluke.

2. No Sivar-Eshrad.
How many alien species have you conquered since the end
of the war, and properly performed the ritual? Pah. Sivar
has no use for such cowardly warriors. Remember, it MUST
be performed or Sivar will turn his face and those warriors
who die, go into the void. It has not been performed
since the end of the war. Therefore the Kilrathi have
only a future in the Void.

3. Kn'thrak. Remember the Prophecy? Remember the two
ends of Kilrathi history? Remember which track you're
on? Seems like a bad time to be a Kilrathi. That is
not a sign of Sivar's favor.

Oh, unless you beg the humans for help. We are always
willing to help weaker, less fortunate species -- as
we did in the "Cult of Sivar" rescue mission.

-- Brian P.

 

[Mekt-Hakkikt]

Sivar's ways are not so obvious and for an ape it is impossible to comprehend his wisdom. He gave us a new challenge and we will prevail, as we did for thousands of years. It is nowhere written that any Kilrathi begged sth from the Terrans. And the Kilrathi surely destroyed that bug carrier faster and more efficiently than the Terrans destroyed the cruiser. And that although they used old ships. And I cannot stress enough that the Midway first begs for help from the Kilrathi. The Midway just intercepted the distress call at the beginning. The Kilrathi who wrote Kn'thrak cannot possibly know who it really was. Of course you might get the (strong) impression that those bugs are the star gods, still it is nowhere stated explicitly. It is just a possibility...
The Kilrathi are far from conquered or crushed.
BTW, the crew of the Midway seems quite scared by those puny aliens. Pathetic cowards...

 

[pendell]

Originally posted by Mekt-Hakkikt
Sivar's ways are not so obvious and for an ape it is impossible to comprehend his wisdom.

In other words, you can't refute me so you muddy the
waters.

It is nowhere written that any Kilrathi begged sth from the Terrans.

Because the Kilrathi, in addition to being bloodthirsty
and depraved, are notorious Liars. Confed certainly
DID give Pasqual 10 to the Kilrathi at Melek's request.
And the Kilrathi were the ones who sued for peace (twice!)
For "sued" read "begged and grovelled pathetically".
The first time because the K. couldn't beat the "weak"
humans in a stand-up fight, and had to resort to treachery.
The second time because their home planet, their emperor,
and their Grand Fleet massed in Kilrah orbit was gone.

And the Kilrathi surely destroyed that bug carrier faster and more efficiently than the Terrans destroyed the cruiser. And that although they used old ships.

Yes, they did destroy the carrier quickly. Because
they had Human pilots flying escort for them and
protecting them from the Mantas and Devil Rays who
would otherwise surely have destroyed them. And because
most of the escorts had been drawn off by a HUMAN diversion, led by Maj. Marshall. So far, all this demonstrates is that the Kilrathi can successfully shoot a stationary, inadequately defended target. But we knew that already. As they demonstrated at Mcauliffe, that's what
they're best at. Now, when there's an opponent with
any reasonable combat effectiveness, the Kilrathi
have trouble. In other words, they are best against
unarmed foes, and sue for peace or resort to treachery
when confronted with effective ones.

We have a word for this in English: We call it COWARDICE.


That's also a single datum point. Against the glorious
achievement of destroying a lightly defended carrier
with significant human help you must set their
performance in the Cult of Sivar Rescue (LOUSY), and their
performance in Midway's defense (PATHETIC).

In all three of these engagements, compare Kilrathi
kill count to Confed Kill Count. Then compare Kilrathi
casualties to Confed Casualties. Then tell me again
how the Kilrathi are *so* much better than humans. BAH!

Of course you might get the (strong) impression that those bugs are the star gods, still it is nowhere stated explicitly. It is just a possibility...

This is a silly tactic that defense lawyers use when
defending otherwise-indefensible clients. "Well, how
do you know FOR SURE that you saw...". "Is it really
reasonable that he could have seen X? Aren't you making
this up?"

They do this when they have no FACTS to back up their
version of events, nor indeed any plausible alternative
explanation. So they seek to confuse the issue
by creating a fog of doubt, in the hope that the jury
will be befuddled enough to have "reasonable doubt". BAH!

If they are not the Star Gods, then give me a good
alternative 'canonical' explanation -- especially when
the writers most likely invented the whole Prophecy
thing as intro for the bugs!



-- Brian P.

 

[pendell]

Originally posted by Quarto
Well, revolutions in general are rare. But like I said earlier, the Russians had one during WWI, Iraq had one following the Gulf War. And China had one during and following WWII. I can't remember right now, but the overthrow of the monarchy in Egypt was also a direct result of their defeat in the 1948 war.

Yes.. the revolutions (except for the Russian one)
occurred AFTER their defeat, not DURING the war itself.
And the Russian one occurred because the people were
sick of war and wanted it to be OVER. Nicholas II
had pushed his people too hard.

But, generally speaking, an enemy of some kind is
useful to a totalitarian regime. Giving the people
an external enemy keeps their eyes, their hatred, their
discontent focused outward on an enemy. Otherwise, they
might start blaming their own government for their
problems and start agitating for change. Totalitarian
governments can't have that. So instead, they stir
them up against "others" whom they blame for their trouble.
Example: Milosevic fanning the flames of hatred against
the Bosnians, Syrian government fanning the flames of hatred against Isrealis, Chinese government fanning
nationalistic fervor against US, etc.

But don't you think this discussion is getting entirely
too intelligent and civilized for an insult thread?

Soon you'll be wearin' my sword like a shish-kebab!
.

Respectfully,

Brian P.

 

[mpanty]

Awwwww... what happened to the "You fight like a stillborn kitten"s and the "Come here, kitty kitty"s?

This insult contest is getting too sophisticated for souls like me and $tormin...

What's going on? The Kilrathi Mekt is trying to show-off some knowledge and hoping to prove he's not stupid? PAH! You can always try...

 

[Mekt-Hakkikt]

That's what I complained about some posts earlier, but those Terrans do not stop.
And of course I try. Even the apes try. The difference is that I try and succeed, whereas you fail miserably.
But I am glad that we want to return to the original intention.

For a split second we are on the same side, puny earthling.
Disgusting...

P.S.: You forgot to add "simple" before "souls"

 

[pendell]

Soooo... you want unsophisticated insults, do you?

Right. Here they come. And remember, NONE of these
are intended personally. And remember also: you
ASKED for this.

You disdainful scene of stinking amoebas.
You tie-died hill of aids-infested couch potatoes.
You tiny soup of russian snake guts.
You cheating pool of softened leprosy scabs.
You castrated lump of mealy maggot flies.
You scum-sucking pat of industrial-strength horse puckies.
You cocksure mountain of greasy buffalo chips.
You nameless wipe of seething bull balls.
You insane miasma of freaky diarrhea.
You inane pocket of unwiped cockroach eggs.
You gagging display case of mealy chicken feet.
You zombie dunghill of fallen liverwurst.
You midget box of fermenting clam dip.
You strangling reject of forgotten plastic pants.
You manure-breathing pyre of god-forsaken chicken guts.
You tainted tumor of unfresh plastic pants.
You sick hellhole of stale cigar butts.
You unspeakable tub of decayed bilge water.
You nuthouse exhibit of reeking compost.
You busted tube of larded llama spit.
You tie-died pigpen of spoiled bubble gum.
You pasty-faced mistake of wild llama spit.
You incomplete baguette of fermenting barf curds.
You unsaved exudation of hand-dipped dunghills.
You motherless package of bohemian bung holes.
You beastly pile of malignant jackass ears.
You spaced-out repository of soggy soggy rubbers.
You decomposed pool of stinking skin cysts.
You crude scene of contaminated jackass ears.
You paltry sniffer of sweltering grave robbers.
You hesitating john of hand-me-down amoebas.
You unthinking cousin of pallid gangrene oozings.
You immature mess of iranian octopus suckers.
You pansy pack of snot-covered cow udders.
You mouldering wormhole of dehydrated walrus blubber.
You blood-sucking wreck of decomposing hair balls.
You clubfooted pit of malignant bubble gum.
You scum-sucking shipment of fermenting fish guts.
You foul-smelling sample of caked-on whale waste.
You atrocious scrap heap of iranian squid eyes.
You detestable plug of caked-on barf curds.
You inappropriate preview of flatulent goose pimples.
You lecherous basket of smelly skin cysts.
You scrofulitic truckload of inflated tooth stains.
You pantywaist whelp of yellow meat maggots.
You unmentionable package of reeking diarrhea puddles.


-- Brian P.

 

[Mekt-Hakkikt]

Wow! Only one at the time. Give us a chance to answer.

"That ape seems to have claws!" (from one of the WC1 aces, don't remember which one. Bhurak perhaps?)
Still:
You hairless ape, go back to your tree, where you should have stayed.


BTW: Of course no one will take offense. This is no serious thread at all.

 

[pendell]

You mange-ridden furball, slink back to your
diseased, maggot-ridden den.


-- Brian P.


[Edited by pendell on 04-11-2001 at 18:14]