Concordia Casualty Report

frostytheplebe

frostytheplebe

Seventh Part of the Seal
I was just wondering how bad a loss the Concordia truly was. Sure losing one of the mightiest ships in Confed was enough of a blow, but how many amongst her crew was lost? We know a few, but what about the others:

Blair: On-Leave, injury

Angel: KIA

Tolwyn: Either away, or flag transferred.

Maniac: Covert Opps assignment, transfer to TCS Victory.

Sparks: Transferred to the TCS Tarawa

Hobbes: best guess is he was on Ghorah Kar (Sp??) when the Concordia went down.

But what about:

Stingray, Maj. Edmond, ... and who was the last surviving pilot from Maniacs Morningstar project?
(did I miss anyone?)
 
Angel was KIA'd much later remember, I think she was with Covert long before Vespus. That's probably what you meant anyway!
 
frostytheplebe said:
I was just wondering how bad a loss the Concordia truly was. Sure losing one of the mightiest ships in Confed was enough of a blow, but how many amongst her crew was lost? We know a few, but what about the others:

Blair: On-Leave, injury
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He was in a hospital after his fighter took a missile hit during BoT.


Angel: KIA
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She was on the TCS Lexington (Armada) which brought her Special Ops team to Kilrah.

Tolwyn: Either away, or flag transferred.
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He was then commander of 3rd Fleet. He was probably at Sol or Torgo.


Maniac: Covert Opps assignment, transfer to TCS Victory.
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Maniac was a test pilot, it can be assumed he flew during BoT and afterwards was transferred to the Victory.

Sparks: Transferred to the TCS Tarawa
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This transfer occurred in 2667, well before the Concordia was lost.

Hobbes: best guess is he was on Ghorah Kar (Sp??) when the Concordia went down.
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Again, he was probably in action during BoT then transferred to the Victory after.


But what about:

Stingray, Maj. Edmond, ... and who was the last surviving pilot from Maniacs Morningstar project?
(did I miss anyone?)
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Well it's clear that Stingray survives. He appears in Arena :)
 
Kavok said:
Angel was KIA'd much later remember, I think she was with Covert long before Vespus. That's probably what you meant anyway!
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I thought she died BEFORE the Concordia went down. Remember the conversation Paladin and Blair had after the Behemoth got blasted?

Blair: You missed all the fun...

Paladin: I wish I'd been there, I'm tired of flying a desk... I hear you had a little run-in with Thrakath?

Blair: Yeah I did... you son of a bitch.

Paladin: It pains me that you had to find out that way...

Blair: How long have you known?

Paladin: Ah... since the Concordia went down...

(Plot Choice)
 
Dundradal said:
This transfer occurred in 2667, well before the Concordia was lost.
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Would she have been on the Coventry, then, serving with Jason Bondarevsky again? I believe False Colors makes reference to her leading a damage control party that saves his life.

Is there any indication that his transfer from the Tarawa to the Coventry was part of Tolwyn putting his "best people" on the Victory? That could account for Sparks being there, while Rachel was still chief tech on the Victory. I think that point came up somewhere else in another thread.
 
Jason_Ryock said:
Would she have been on the Coventry, then, serving with Jason Bondarevsky again? I believe False Colors makes reference to her leading a damage control party that saves his life.

Is there any indication that his transfer from the Tarawa to the Coventry was part of Tolwyn putting his "best people" on the Victory? That could account for Sparks being there, while Rachel was still chief tech on the Victory. I think that point came up somewhere else in another thread.
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She did serve with Bondarevsky on the Coventry and yes she is the one that saves his life following an attack during the Behemoth raid.

Not sure about the second part will have to check back later.
 
Dundradal said:
She did serve with Bondarevsky on the Coventry and yes she is the one that saves his life following an attack during the Behemoth raid.

Not sure about the second part will have to check back later.
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Coventry... are we talking about the Victory's escort destroyer!?
 
Coventry... are we talking about the Victory's escort destroyer!?
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Bondarevsky was promoted to Commodore and put in command of Destoyer Squadron 67 after the Battle of Earth. He flew his broad pennant on the Coventry.

Would she have been on the Coventry, then, serving with Jason Bondarevsky again? I believe False Colors makes reference to her leading a damage control party that saves his life.
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She was Damage Control Officer aboard the Coventry.

Is there any indication that his transfer from the Tarawa to the Coventry was part of Tolwyn putting his "best people" on the Victory? That could account for Sparks being there, while Rachel was still chief tech on the Victory. I think that point came up somewhere else in another thread.
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I don't believe it's ever stated one way or the other. It seems possible.
 
Jason_Ryock said:
Is there any indication that his transfer from the Tarawa to the Coventry was part of Tolwyn putting his "best people" on the Victory? That could account for Sparks being there, while Rachel was still chief tech on the Victory. I think that point came up somewhere else in another thread.
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Wouldn't he have been given a positon on the Victory then?
 
frostytheplebe said:
Wouldn't he have been given a positon on the Victory then?
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Not really. I suspect that Tolwyn planned to take direct command of the Victory from the start, so he would have placed somebody in command of it (Eisen) whom he didn't mind pushing aside. Bondarevsky, however, he wanted to put in a useful position, not a placeholder position.
 
Also, recall how Blair reacted to his assignment in the intro. Tolwyn really liked Jason and probably wouldn't be so eager to give him an undignified posting for-future-use in the same manner.
 
Hmm... I don't believe Tolwyn would spare someone an assignment because he liked him/her. Specially in those desperate days that followed the Battle of Terr. If Bear was in the Conventry, it's because Tolwyn needed him precisely there.

Anyway, this is just my opinion. I also don't believe that Tolwyn disliked Blair in WC3, quite the contrary. It's Blair who seems bitter towards him, I think...
 
Tolwyn views Bondarevsky in a very different light than almost every other character he is engaged with. The relationship between these two is very close and the respect that the two have shown each other is extreme. A few examples, Tolwyn's choosing him for the WC on the Tarawa, Tolwyn's going against orders to rescue the Tarawa following the Kilrah raid, Tolwyn choosing Bondarevsky and St. John to be present at the armistice ceremony over his standard staff officers, and all these events are prior to BoT.

Bondarevsky was on the Coventry because he had been promoted, most likely a result of his actions at BoT with the Tarawa along with other parts of the Free Corps ships, when they, along with unknown help from Jukaga, saved Earth from total destruction. IIRC after this Tarawa got a refit while Bondarevsky was promoted and someone else was given command of Tarawa. The reason why DesRon 67 was with the Victory is probably a direct result of Tolwyn wanting to have his best together when they would be needed for the Behemoth.

So the reason Bondarevsky didn't get the Victory job was he was already beyond that position, as he had been since 2667 when he became Captain of the Tarawa. His placement on Coventry then makes sense in terms of Tolwyn's plan of putting his best together.
 
Sycrusian said:
Anyway, this is just my opinion. I also don't believe that Tolwyn disliked Blair in WC3, quite the contrary. It's Blair who seems bitter towards him, I think...
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Makes sense, considering Tolwyn did everything in his power to tarnish his name and wasted ten long years of his life that could have been spent on the front lines winning the war. And all because of Tolwyn's own mistake in judging the K'Tithrak Mang incident.
 
~~~, I still think that Blair -was- guilty of negligence since he failed to report the Strakha sighting to Concordia and went chasing them on his own... of course Tolwyn doesn't know about -that- heh.

Anyway, I'm not sure if Tolwyn likes Blair or not. He certainly seems fond of him in WC2's ending and addons. Malcolm McDowell Tolwyn however is extremely hard to read in WC3 but once again he -seems- fond of him in WC4. At the very least I think it's safe to say he respects Blair quite a bit.
 
Falcon988 said:
~~~, I still think that Blair -was- guilty of negligence since he failed to report the Strakha sighting to Concordia and went chasing them on his own... of course Tolwyn doesn't know about -that- heh.

Anyway, I'm not sure if Tolwyn likes Blair or not. He certainly seems fond of him in WC2's ending and addons. Malcolm McDowell Tolwyn however is extremely hard to read in WC3 but once again he -seems- fond of him in WC4. At the very least I think it's safe to say he respects Blair quite a bit.
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I don't think Blair and Tolwyn ever got truly got along... Blair didn't seem all that shocked when he saw Tolwyn at the black lance HQ. Certainly not as shocked as he was when Hobbes booked it off the Claw.
 
I don't think Blair and Tolwyn ever got truly got along... Blair didn't seem all that shocked when he saw Tolwyn at the black lance HQ. Certainly not as shocked as he was when Hobbes booked it off the Claw.
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They got along during at least two periods. The first was from before they met through the events of 'Chain of Command'. Tolwyn served with Arnold Blair during the Pilgrim War and as a result watched out for Christopher (from a distance) while he was at the Academy. When Blair graduated, Tolwyn saw a lot of potential in the young officer and gave him several preferential (if risky) assignments. Relations between the two began to cool after Blair spied on Tolwyn under orders from Admiral Bergstrom. The second was after Wing Commander II. Tolwyn is entirely friendly with Blair during the Special Operations missions (which is where the Tolwyn characterization from the novels comes from). Beyond a single line, this is ignored in Wing Commander III.
 
Yeah, but in Wing Commander 4 it seemed as though Tolwyn was setting Blair up for death...

"You're first mistake was not killing him right away."

"Who Eisen or the Colonel?"

"Take your pick."
 
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