Oh, good, I like these threads.
Am i the only one out there who has a problem w/ the fact that Blair in Super Wing Commander has a different name?
If your question is simply whether or not you're the only person to comment on this, then no. It's not really a valud issue, though - Super Wing Commander was developed and released well before Wing Commander III gave the character a name.
ng time veterans will recall that the original two games let the player select the name themselves... and the various spinoffs and official guides gave or implied a variety of names for "Bluehair" (Carl T. LaFonog in the Ultimate Strategy Guide, Jack Lombard in the Academy manual, etc.)
or that Paladin in the movie IS FRENCH!?
I believe someone already linked to a discussion of this. I'm happy to expand on any questions you might have from that, though.
Or that the ships in WC movie all look like huge subs? Whats up with all this
This complaint has always been one of those red flags for me in movie debates - because to my eyes the only thing in the movie that looks remotely like a submarine is the Tiger's Claw model... and that's tempered with a flight deck, a modern conning tower and a broadside that's clearly inspired by 19th century sailing ships. Other than the fact that the promotional press liked to insist that the movie was inspired by "submarine warfare", the look just isn't there - the Dralthi and the ComCon are generic WC3-style jagged Kilrathi designs, the Concordia is very blatantly a World War 2 battleship, the Kilrathi ships look like modern destroyers, the Broadsword is a cold war bomber and the Rapier is a Corsair.
(On a more meta level, of course *all* space ship designs look like submarines -- because a submarine is the piece of modern equipment that most easily translates to flying around in the void of space. Both sorts of things need to dedicate lots of space to protecting their crew from a completely hostile external environment in the same manner... something an aircraft carrier or a tank doesn't necessarily need to worry about.)
I dont think the Concordia was constructed yet, wasnt Towlyn on the TCS Austin at that point?
There have been several ships named Concordia in the Wing Commander universe - the one seen in Wing Commander II is the third ship (that we know of) to bear the name. The ship in the movie, a Supercruiser, was the second. You can find a more detailed FAQ about ships named Concordia and some of the issues surrounding their histories
here.
Broadswords werent in WC1 they were a WC2 exclusive
That's not really a sensible manner of measuring time, though. Certainly, nothing in Wing Commander 2 claims that Broadswords did not exist earlier. In fact, it was the earlier Wing Commander Academy animated series and not the 1999 movie which first introduced the idea that there are Broadsword-class ships onboard the Tiger's Claw. (We now know from The Confederation Handbook and False Colors that Broadswords entered service in 2635 and were still being used by reserve wings through the early seventies.)
The Story in general never happened
You'll have to be more specific on this one. The movie takes place between the first episode of Wing Commander Academy (Red and Blue), when Blair and Maniac are assigned to the Tiger's Claw, and the first series of the first game (when they're already there).
Was there ever even a mention of Pilgrims in the game?
No.
Hornets? An Academy fighter? Dont make me laugh!
That seems reasonable - given that Blair and Maniac flew Scimitars when they were at Flight School (on Wing Commander Academy), it's reasonable that they would have flown a less advanced fighter for their initial training at the Academy. Having training models of fighters based on actual combat aircraft is certainly nothing new - think of the T-33 companion to the F-80 Shooting Star.
Forbes wasnt in the video game
Neither was 90% of the Tiger's Claw complement (less than ten pilots appear in the game - but the carrier carries 104 fighters)... someone not appearing in Blair's squadron in Wing Commander is no cause to claim they don't exist. Consider that any character introduced in the later games (Downtown, Sparks, Vagabond, Rachel and so on and so forth) was 'alive' in 2654... and they didn't need to appear in Wing Commander (1) to have their existence validated.
That's all academic, of course, because Forbes dies during the course of the movie. The movie takes place roughly a month before Wing Commander (1) starts.
Iceman wasnt in the movie (though someone said he was the guy w/ the huge scar on his face)
That was Lt. Adam "Bishop" Polanski. Again, consider that there are 104(+) pilots on the Tiger's Claw - the Wing Commander movie featured only seven of them.
Hunter got along w/ Blair in the game
There really isn't much character interaction in the games - talking heads explain tactical and historical points to a nameless character who occasionally nods. That said, Hunter and Blair seem to resolve what their issues are by the end of the movie... which, again, takes place before the original Wing Commander.
Dilligent was a type of ship, NOT A NAME OF ONE!
Well, that's kind of an odd claim on two levels. What would you say about Prophecy's Midway, a Midway-class heavy carrier? Ships get their 'class' names from (in general) the first ship in the class commissioned.
That's not really the case here, though - the ship in the movie is an Errant-class merchantman that happens to be named Diligent. The name is not original to the brief appearance of a Diligent-class transport in Secret Missions 1... the Royal Navy has had several HMS Diligent's in its storied history. (More likely to be the source for the movie reference, though, was a French slave ship named Diligent in the 18th century...).
Bossman already dead? he was a good wingman in the game, that sucks!
Well... it certainly sucks for his family.
Jazz, doomsday, Spirit, and most of the others dont make an appearance
Spirit actually shows up in the novel and the original screenplay. For the same reasons relating to Iceman and Forbes above, there's no requirement that the movie shows every person in the universe (nor would the concept even be possible).
Jazz and Doomsday, of course, aren't assigned to the Tiger's Claw until 2655 during the Firekka missions.
While Im happy that Knight met his end in the movie being a sucky copilot, that didnt happen in the game.
It did if you let him die.
