sea_monkey
Spaceman
I'm pretty sure no one who has the capacity to ban you has actually threatened to do so. In fact, I seem to recall specifically telling you that we don't ban people based on how stupid their opinion is when you got all haughty that some other non-moderator (LeHah) said the same thing.
And I'm pretty sure that I never implied that I expected you to ban me. Rather I simply pointed out my amusement were that ever to take place, in response to someone else bringing it up. So, in both cases, your response made no sense.
Oh, this will be fun. I will do this, but I'd like you to first promise that you will address each point rather than ignore them or claim that X product 'doesn't matter'.
Sorry, there's not enough time to answer every single issue that you or everyone else has, it takes long enough just to READ this whole thing. But I will do my best to address the major ones.
That's an interesting way to look at it - even ignoring the pure "that's clearly just how it happened, despite the fact that you actually see heavier fighters sitting on the flight deck" factor. It has several flaws, though:
No, that's not "clearly just how it happened." Blair got a message from the Concordia, called Shadow, and then CHANGED INTO HIS FLIGHT GEAR, RAN DOWN TO THE FLIGHT DECK, AND THEN JUMPED INTO A FIGHTER HIMSELF. Anything beyond that is pure speculation.
It just so happens that, under your scenario (there are 400 fighters aboard Caernervon), the question is raised -- why was that even necessary, or smart? In fact it makes no sense at all. There's no way some guy in the commo room was the closest guy to the Concordia, or that it would make sense for only 2 fighters to rally to defend the flagship of the 14th fleet, when 398 others were available.
Specifically, 398 pilots aren't doing nothing. It's a fun idiotic visual that you can picture in your head, but it isn't a realistic claim. You don't build starbases with huge fighter complements because you're looking for a place to keep your fighters. There's a reason for them to be there. A whole lot of these ships will be flying ordinary patrols, escort missions, etc. When the station goes on alert, a large number of these fighters will be readied to defend the base itself. Add to this the fact that the station had already begun fighting the Kilrathi - Blair and Shadow discovered them in Gwynedd A. The bases resources are almost certainly being used to deal with this threat.
LOL ... "they were busy ... 398 fighters were busy." 398 fighters and the closest guy to the Concordia was the dude in the commo room.
Well like I said, I respect your opinion although I disagree. But remember -- your whole argument is in response to my pointing out possible continuity issues in the WCU. That I can't be right. If your whole argument based on the idea that "THERE'S A MASSIVE FIGHTER FORCE BUT YOU NEVER SEE THEM IN THE GAME BECAUSE THEY'RE HIDING!" ...... well I think we're just going to have to agree to disagree on this one.
I don't think that's what canon means, though. Even if it were, Claw Marks is equally canon - the issue is a fun point for debating, not an excuse to stick your head in the sand and pretend that manuals don't exist.
Well, once you concede there are continuity issues in the WCU, and that there is room for multiple points of view, I guess I don't see where your problem with the issues I brought up comes from?
I note you stopped actually quoting when you realized how the exchange actually went. Note that what I accused you of ("based only on how another Wing Commander fan describes it") and what I said about reviews ("professional reviews") are in no way equivalent.
Note that I stopped exactly after I had made my point: I said I didn't like what I heard about Action Stations and you called me unenlightened -- which you then denied, and I proved you wrong again. And what you accused me of is simply incorrect -- for one, being not me, you're in no position to know why I do anything -- but in this case specifically, I ALSO mentioned that I was wary of AS because I heard it basically plaguerized Pearl Harbor and Midway ... and these being only the reasons I chose to list. So no, you had no point here.
It's interesting that you've gone through great lengths to make it sound ridiculous, given that your claim is presumably that Confed traded 14 pilots for 3 Fralthra and their fighter complements (and some bombers that came from nowhere).
It is ridiculous. 14 pilots traded for a large battle fleet. In my scenario, 14 pilots for 3 Fralthra, where Confed consistently maintains a higher kill ratio, is not probable, but certainly possible. Your scenario makes no sense.
Ah, what a wonderful argument. I can prove that 'glitches' exist, therefore can attribute anything I want to being a 'glitch'! I can prove that my cat is orange, therefore anything I say is orange is!
This is not my argument though. It does seem to be your argument however, that -- if it's in the game, it's supposed to be like that.
(And yes, some versions of the game displaying the wrong graphic is distinctly different from you not liking which ejection scene they picked for a given mission. We can, for instance, pinpoint exactly how and why the 'mixed up graphics' bug occurs.)
And I can pinpoint exactly how the "eject" after completing the mission objectives bug occurs -- whenever you eject after a mission, you go to the losing path, regardless of whether or not you completed the objectives, unless the game programmer did something specifically for that case. It simply didn't occur to him that anyone would eject after beating the game in SO1.
Just to make it clear -- your argument is that:
1) If you destroy the 2 Fralthra, and the 4 Gothri in Ghorah Khar 2D, and land on the Concordia, the Kilrathi retreat.
2) BUT, if you destroy the 2 Fralthra, and the 4 Gothri in the same mission, BUT you eject, the Kilrathi attack Ghorah Khar.
So basically the Kilrathi make their tactical decision based on whether or not ONE guy ejected, which they would have no knowledge of anyway since their force in that area was obliterated.
Yeah, that really makes sense.